[06:14:07] <Dan> any american teams want to play on UK

^this

then 6 americans proceeded to play on the uk server! Nice. Might aswell play on NA and report as uk?

What's the point of having 2 servers then? There was a team with uk players that were looking for games on any server, and was obviously avoided.

What I suggest is, there should be atleast 2 players of the server the teams want to play on, in the game.

Discuss.

he does have a point tbh

It wouldn't normally be a problem, but the fact both teams used this game to fulfill their UK quota for the day is quite lame.

It defeats the purpose in having a UK game requirement.

[18:07:23] <zidane> viewtopic.php?f=39&t=12557 - I totally agree with this.
[18:07:36] <zidane> banned from forums agaiun so i cant reply

[18:08:54] <zidane> and say "It's even more pathetic that 3 of the mw players were in a game vs the 3 UK players, one faked an afk before the game started, left and played against the MW team on UK within minutes."

Yes.

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If this happens to be a one off occassion then fair enough, but this totally defeats the point of having players capable of playing on each server.

We are a MW team, not our fault our GM has not provided us with UK players, i know you want easy wins. Dan was afk, he went to go pee, then we decided to play TCats cause we didn't have our top line and you guys had good lineup, so instead of losing a 10-0 we decided to talk to TCats, cause they had 3 MW, i mean this is all at midnight, isn't that like 7-8AM your time anyway?

I think your thread title is a little over the top Purity, but this is a valid point that I'm sure Drakling will address and deal with fairly.

Traffic, your statement is understandable and it is not your problem that you don't have enough UK players and not on at that time. However, it is your teams problem that you had all day to play 1 UK game and didn't do so until it was 6-7am Euro time, and it is your team problem that you don't have enough UK players drafted who could have completed this deadline.

Before any argument really happens, I think it's safe for everyone to agree that the MWer playing on UK against each other in understandable and justifiable. It is just like not wanting to play a severely weak matchup vs a top line. I don't think you guys were wrong to choose to do this.

The main point purity is bringing up is the fact that it does make cross-server play pointless if this is allowed. This just happens to be an unforeseen issue that is easily fixable. So there's really no need to say any teams did anything wrong. Be better to suggest ways to fix the problem like Purity said, and this way drakling will have to spend less time trying to fix the problem and we can all be happier thereof.

This appears to be one of those gray areas that I hadn't anticipated.

I do fully understand what you and others are saying Purity, having no euros in the game does kind of defeat the purpose of having the game on UK. That said, I feel that the situation is a little more complicated and here's why:

I don't think that requiring 2 euro players to play in a game is a good idea at this time for several reasons. The first is that I don't like changing the rules after teams have made decisions with information i've provided at the season start. Now nobody can change their teams based on new rules since most TCs have been used up. This is also why I didn't change the draft after an issue had been brought to my attention, because I had already set things in motion and given out info to strategize your team around.

That said, I do want to create a flexible solution to this. However, you noted an example using UK but you have to realize that about 20% of your own team's games (and probably a number of other teams' as well) would be invalid if the same rule were applied using 2 MW players on MW. I'm generally not in favour of creating rules that result in fewer games being played and based on what i'm seen from almost all the teams, frequently 2 players from the opposing server have played in many games on that server. Personally I think that this is because either there weren't enough MW/UK players on at the time or because the team's thought their MW/UK players were stronger to play on that server than the native server players. However if I were to try and influence how teams implement their strategy in this regard I don't think it would be fair. Then there gets into the issue of time and time zones - if two MW or UK players are not on at the same time during that day then the team would get penalized, which I don't think is great.

I think perhaps the better and more flexible solution would be to require 1 or 2 MW or UK players to be in the game on either team. If teams wanted to play to their detriment against a team with 1 or 2 local players that's to their disadvantage and would not prevent games from getting played. That said I do not plan to enforce this this season because we get back into issues of how GMs chose to structure their teams within the framework of the league. I feel that it would be unfair to everyone if I change the rules now on this or other major issues of contention. It would be like if I put in a rule where no player can play more than 50% of a team's game's into this season (something I will likely do for next season). I realize that there are the issues with the league that need to get tweaked and appreciate you bringing them up for discussion. I plan to address these as the league evolves.

Please do check again, as I'm sure we were always using one mw, and playing against 2 or 3 MWs!



That was my suggestion. Wasn't going for 2 players per team, but atleast 2 total.



No, what happened was the team (3MW), decided to run away from the game they were going to play (against 3 uk or so), and then looked for another MW team(100%) to play them on uk, even though another team(B) was looking for a game on uk, with 2 euros on!
Again: [06:14:07] <Dan> any american teams want to play on UK




And yeah I do agree changing it at this momment would be kind of gay so I'm with you, and looking forward to next season.

Well we just dont like having our euros not play during the day and then get stuck when, as usual, surr's team is around to snipe some wins on his server from the teams that still need a game there.

oh snap

Well looks like this happened again last night. Two teams avoid their penalties by playing all American players on UK (TCats being one of the two teams again).

I don't see how this is fair when other teams are docked points for not having their required games.

Drakling, I don't see why you couldn't have done something about this when it had only happened once. We're still in the first week of the season and your solution is to sweep it under the rug.

If a team doesn't have active UK players they should be punished for it. Instead they have found loopholes to avoid penalties that other teams are receiving.

Either dock both teams the points they should have lost or give us our points back. It's completely unfair for other teams as long as this continues.

i agree with you surreal, however i say this:

you could have played another uk team on NA? if you cant make your uk quota tho that is different.