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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:25 pm 
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So I should look for a UK team to play on MW as a preventative measure from now on? Is that really the road we want to go down?


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:30 pm 
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UNIBALL IS FUN


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:31 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:58 pm 
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There is a penalty if a team never uses its uk players. If these teams always play mw vs mw on uk, that penalty will build up over time. I'm not saying that's an ideal way to deal with it, but that's what's in place right now.

My suggestion would be to give 5 TCs to each team and let people work it out with the new rule in place.

Don't make it a requirement to have a certain # from a server in each game though. Give some lee way, like you're allowed to play a game with more than 4 people not from the designated server twice per week or something. Sometimes the situation arises, but people should be wary of when they use these games.

PS- if you think 5 tc's are too many, make it a lower number.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:42 pm 
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We lost 25 pts last night for no UK game. $$$$$


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:24 am 
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MJD agreed to play us on MW with us having a seriously weak lineup. Shield dived in and played them instead when we needed our NA requirement and Shield didn't. MJD then agreed to play us on UK because they needed their UK requirement, this screenshot is the proof that once again, Shield dived in and played them instead.

League is a complete failure and even if we did go onto win it, it wouldn't be much to brag about.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:23 am 
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You're such a whiner. Both MJD and Shield still needed to get their UK game in - why wouldn't they play each other on UK? MJD told you multiple times they wanted to play you on MW also, but you started whining and told them to forget it.

[01:12.31] <Varsity2> ok let us play shield now on uk, then qp on mw
[01:12.36] <zidane> lol
[01:12.37] <zidane> nvm
[01:12.40] <zidane> i aint playing either
[01:12.50] <zidane> this leagues an embarrassment lol

[01:14.12] <Varsity2> we can play on mw after this game, that way i can get another game in, and qp can fulfill their mw requirement....


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:25 am 
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Oh snap... WHAT NOW ZID?


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:25 am 
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Prior to that game, we agreed to play a UK game with MJD anyway...

On top of that, I can understand Varsity if he feels as if he has a better chance vs. 3 MW players on the UK server, opposed to 3 UK players on the UK server. (It very well could have been 2 UK players and 1 MW player, but I saw that you and Zorro were going to play, so... same argument.)


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:07 am 
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None of you had permission to use my likeness in any photos. You will be hearing from my lawyers.

We had already played shield on MW, and had agreed beforehand to do 1 and 1. This discussion was occurring right after the MW game, and before the UK game. I stopped to talk and try to agree to a game because I wanted to ensure that I could play again right after. That is my mistake. I should have played the 2nd game, and then tried to organize a new game.


Regarding Recoil: I would like to set the record straight and point out that at no time at all was my thought process "team A over team B because A is weaker". I don't care about statistics, records, standings, etc. When this league is over, I will go back to getting booted out of the "elite" games, so right now I simply want to get in as many games with the good players as I can while my time is still available.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:39 am 
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I also believe this passage is relevant to the discussion.

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Once alone in the apartment, Chase began to capture, kill, and disembowel various animals, which he would then devour raw, sometimes mixing the raw organs with Coca-Cola in a blender and drinking the concoction like a milkshake. Chase reasoned that by ingesting the creatures he was preventing his heart from shrinking.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that is seriously wrong with this league.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:47 am 
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This conversation has been rehashed over and over, although I think it's silly that now people feel the need to misrepresent their own actions and a situation in order to try and (badly) make a point. The last thing I will say before locking this thread, in order to prevent further circular disagreements, is:

As i've pointed out several times here and in BR, I plan to address a variety of issues with the league for next season. The issues include but are not limited to:

- The draft order and process
- Game/server requirements and penalties
- Restrictions on who can play in cross server games
- Teams making full use of their roster vs. top 3 players
- A player playing in a maximum % of a teams' games
- The use of TCs from week to week

These are all clearly issues that have caused contention and I plan to address them with fresh rules that all teams can form a team around... from the start of the season. Those looking at the issues I noted will probably also see that almost every team has received SOME relative advantage through some imbalance caused by one of the issues mentioned.

As i've expressed already, I will not fix some rules mid-season without fixing them all because fixing some rules and not others will create an advantage for some teams and not others. How is this more fair? Just as you all would, GMs pursue a chosen strategy with the information they are given (rules), and now cannot change their teams with new rules since TCs have been used up. Major league sports don't change their rules mid-season for this same reason - some teams end up being advantaged while others end up being disadvantaged.

That said, its been very frustrating for me to hear so many complaints and personal attacks against me (in BR mostly), when all i've done is actively tried to integrate the UK server into the league, after seeing that it has never had its own draft league that ran successfully. UFL was never even multi-server. As a MW player I rarely play on UK and receive no benefit from having it as part of the league, other than the satisfaction of knowing other UK players got a chance to play in it. I find myself increasingly inclined to not have to deal with the headache from community members of having two servers, given how i've been treated for it, and simply run future seasons as one server only. Those competitive UK games that got played this season are games that would otherwise not even have been played, no matter how "imperfect" the system is right now (which I recognize) - talk about taking things for granted. So the next time you have something to contribute, I would ask you to ask yourself:

Do you prefer to have a more sophisticated two-server league that evolves over time as issues arise, and thoughtful resolutions are implemented over time, or a one-server league where one server's players simply do not have the opportunity to play at all because of nothing but constant complaining.

Please keep that in mind the next time you open your mouth. I would like to thank everyone who has contributed constructive criticism to this or other issues (whether they disagree with me or not), for acting like a rational adult. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me, but please disagree respectfully.


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